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George 
Posts: 18
Apr 10, 2010 - 7:44 AM

According to some dumb fucks at the Thou show last night it does. These kids were about to fight me and told me if they ever saw me around wearing my jacket they would kick my ass.
Really dude? It's 2010 and you're getting so fucking bent out of shape that you're hassling me about this? I've had this jacket for 4 years and traveled the world with it and never ever gotten slack about it. I'm just some guy trying to drink beer and watch sweet bands.
What the fuck is wrong with the clowns? I've known "SHARPS" other associated punk dudes for years. It sucks that there are people in this city dedicating that much time to being enormous douchebags like that.
I'm not even going to bother trying to defend myself about this cause anybody who's done their research(IE NOT A FUCKTARD) knows that BURZUM is about as NS as Darkthrone or Mayhem or Gorgoroth or any old school scandi BM band.

moarbr00tal 
Posts: 26
Apr 10, 2010 - 10:10 AM

Were they teenagers or adults?

brooks 
Posts: 290
Apr 10, 2010 - 10:15 AM

I saw a bit of this... I have to level with ya: if you wear a burzum patch, you are kind of inviting this sort of interaction. You may know that you like burzum's music (something i can't understand) but other people may think you like Varg Vikerner's ideology. For some people, you can't like a band without supporting their ideology. In the same way, some people like music for it's ideology rather than the way it sounds (which is why i assume those SHARP kids listen to ska.)


TheBigGloom 
Posts: 1035
Apr 10, 2010 - 10:31 AM

I wore Burzum backpatch on a Relapse Records (the most NS label, of course) hoodie when I saw Watain in Bosto. Some skinhead comes up to me and starts talking about "nigger music" and "jew media". During the show, he starts sieg heiling and throwing elbows, so this huge muscular guy knocks him on his ass and the fat fuck skin got booted out.

So in other words, it doesn't make you racist but apparently from mine and George's story, people will think you are

maleficarvm_rex 
Posts: 98
Apr 10, 2010 - 1:47 PM

I got no problem with it- but i can see why someone who only knows the basics about what burzum/varg are about would.

but racist culture is so fucked up and confused... i was at a sevendust concert years ago (not going to try to explain or justify any further than saying Gravity Kills was playing and thats why i went) and these hardcore skinhead dudes were there, swastika tattoos and all, and being TOTAL douchebags. fucking up the pit, messin with people, basically until they got kicked out. like 15 minutes later, they were BACK IN. well anyway, this was all before sevendust went on, so of course I'm thinking to myself i can't wait to see the antics they pull when they come out with a black singer.

so out marches sevendust, and within the first few minutes, i look for the SH clowns, and there they are... crooning along with the singer, throwing horns, totally eating that shit up. it fucked me up.

uh, anyway, sorry to drag sevendust into a burzum thread, but i think i started that story with a point. i guess my point was it's dumb to judge people based on what they wear without even talking to them.

but people, as a rule, are douchebags. and sometimes all they want is a fight.

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 10, 2010 - 1:48 PM

WOW. Where were you when this happened!? (EDIT: Just saw that you said it happened at the Thou show. You were in West Philly, which explains everything now.)

Non-metal fans do not understand that Burzum's music and Varg's ideology are in no way connected. The idea that someone with such outspoken ideas could make a-political art is something most people wouldn't think of, especially if they come from a punk rock or hardcore background and are used to outspoken, highly-politicized people make outspoken, high-politicized music as the rule. As illustrated in thebiggloom's post, even skinhead morons don't always understand. When I first started getting into black metal, I remember seeing people in Burzum shirts and being FURIOUS because I too didn't understand.

Accusing someone of being a Nazi because they're wearing a Burzum shirt is no different than accusing them of being one because they drive a Volkswagen or a Ford or appreciating the art of Salvador Dali. Just because the artist may have lousy opinions, it doesn't make the appreciator of their art a bad person. It would be another story if Burzum was racist music but it's not in any way. Still, you need to be prepared for this kind of thing, you should just be prepared to explain it.

anthropicrecords 
Posts: 267
Apr 10, 2010 - 1:54 PM

people actually listen to burzum?
one rainy day i decided to actually read vargs website after a post on here about interviewing him. i mean, i read the entire thing. all his notes from "the murder", prison, his "escape", his ideology, blah blah blah. it was torture reading through his narcissistic, RACIST, manipulative, hypocritical, unintelligent blabber. really the only conclusion i could come to was this: why the fuck would you listen to this dudes music?
I don't believe there is a separation between the artists views or opinions and their art.
I also could give a shit about what you like and I don't expect you to give a shit about what I like. That's why this country is awesome.

also, chris, stop being a nazi.

FrankDux 
Posts: 683
Apr 10, 2010 - 2:17 PM

Wow, how fucking obnoxious. Anyways, the only thing I'm going to say on the matter is that if you're threatening to beat somebody up for having a patch on their jacket (I don't care how offended you are by whatever this band or artists views happen to be) to feel validated, that makes you just as much, if not MORE, of a douchebag than the artist that you are "fighting" against. In the end, you're proving nothing and in this particular instance it was clearly an action for some sort of validation. What a bunch of meatheads.

anthropicrecords 
Posts: 267
Apr 10, 2010 - 2:33 PM

I would also like to add that the more attention this guy gets, the more bullshit he spews from his mouth. I actually think it's a shame that people want to interview him or write books and articles about him. I agree that no one should try to fight you for wearing a patch or a shirt. They are honestly just as bad as the hatred they are "fighting" against. I have sat down with skinheads and talked about our differences before. I have talked to so called, "neo-nazis" and had intelligent conversations about why and how they decided that was a good idea to start hating. Most of the time, people react with fists and violence because they are too lazy to educate or listen. I am so anti-hate it hurts sometimes but, I feel that a lot of people are mostly confused and scared or stuck to do anything else but find some scapegoat for their problems. I have also been in the middle of skinhead violence where I was actually hurt and violated. And to think, I am a blondish/brown haired, blue eyed girl of german/irish decent...who would have thought...
I choose to surround myself with positive, driven people. I will never defend hatred or have any tolerance for intolerance.
You wanna wear a Burzum shirt, go ahead. You should never be "attacked" for it. But, why support that dude? A lot of energy is wasted on this shit.
Why can't we all just love each other?

mattack 
Posts: 1118
Apr 10, 2010 - 3:59 PM

Here's the thing, even if you separate the art from the politics (which I'm not sure you can do), you're still wearing a shirt that advertises for, and says "I support this." People who aren't trained in the little nuances aren't going to know the difference. Although I am not very familiar with Varg's politics, I pretty much agree with @anthropicrecords; I think he's racist, nationalistic crackpot that doesn't make much sense. He killed his friend to "one up" his other friends in the "how evil am I" game.

Skinheads are a classic example. Not all skinheads are racists. But you have to be trained in very specific details to know the difference between racist and non-racist skins. Most people aren't trained, and therefore think all skinheads are racist. So I think if you're serious about not being perceived as racist, then you'll change the way you look, so as not to be mistaken as a racist by the untrained eye.

TwanDollaz 
Posts: 66
Apr 10, 2010 - 7:10 PM

that's fucking retarded, i would've slapped all of those dudes open handed across the face and told them what night god forbid was playing, varg changes his mind like 50 times a day about what he wants to represent so there's no point in even bitching about his stupid supposed skinhead racist shit, much less starting shit with someone over it because they like to listen to his music, which has NOTHING to do with how he acts as a person.

HessianAggression 
Posts: 147
Apr 10, 2010 - 10:20 PM

Yes and so does Darkthrone we can't forget that little line they put on Panzerfaust

SeanL 
Posts: 1573
Apr 11, 2010 - 7:20 AM

Varg may be fucking insane, but he makes good music that doesn't carry his offensive and radical beliefs. Burzum and Varg are two separate entities. He's not even wearing a "Count Grishnak" shirt, it's a Burzum shirt.

I understand why the uneducated would reach out against this, but I don't understand why those who understand the matter (like most of you on this board) would.

Alexecutioner 
Posts: 6
Apr 11, 2010 - 11:45 AM

waste of time, anyone who is bitching about Burzum being racist music is a black metal poser pussy anyway, i would beat the fuck out of them for being dumb asses. i agree with what Brooks said tho, that some people will assume you support the ideologies of the musician because you enjoy the music. Granted, if you listen to nazi skin head punk, you probably really do support their ideology, but just because i listen to Venom, doesnt mean i actually worship Satan.

greenevanrequiem 
Posts: 109
Apr 12, 2010 - 12:11 AM

in a word, yes. the guy has professed at various times to being a Nazi. he's definitely 100% a white supremacist. so, yea, wearing his shirt builds that association for you. his music isn't very good, so the whole "i separate the music from the man and his ideals" argument is worthless.

he, "the band," gets at least some money for each shirt/patch sold. when you buy the merch, you support the cause.

i think these white power guys need to stop being such passive aggressive pussies and just identify themselves so that they can be dealt with.

and for the record, Mayhem is so much better than Burzum.

greenevanrequiem 
Posts: 109
Apr 12, 2010 - 12:21 AM

p.s. varg and burzum are not separate entities. and yes, he does change his mind constantly, so why even pay attention to him? he denounced the use of guitars and drums, the very bread and butter of his "career," because he thought it was "negro music," and you dudes were ok with this all long? and now he's changed his mind again? are you getting this?

Alexecutioner: Burzum is the music of Varg Virkenes, who is a racist. Don't log on to phillymetal.com and call people "black metal posers." don't offer to "beat the fuck" out of anyone on this site.

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 12, 2010 - 1:03 AM

So many people involved with music are shitty, shady characters. I don't believe for a second that the guys from Pantera aren't racist. (I hate Pantera, just using them as an example.) I'm willing to bet that 3/4 of the black metal CDs I own were made by people whose views would make me livid. I'll even take it a step further and say that many of the CDs that AREN'T black metal were made by people whose views would piss me off. At the end of the day, unless they are using their band to push their agenda, I don't really care what they talk about with their buddies on the tour van. Ten years ago, I'd never have supported Burzum because he was going out of his way to spread his message. Now, it seems like the guy is really trying to move on with his life, even if he does still have some unpopular ideas. (Though it is suspect that he talked so much crap on rock music and then wrote a black metal album as soon as he got out of prison. I think it's more that he doesn't know what to do and is a sell-out than anything else.)

Also, I'd rather listen to Filosofem than De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas any day. Besides, Hellhammer is a very outspoken neo-nazi himself!

Alexecutioner 
Posts: 6
Apr 12, 2010 - 11:18 AM

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On 12:21am (04/12/10), greenevanrequiem said

Alexecutioner: Burzum is the music of Varg Virkenes, who is a racist. Don't log on to phillymetal.com and call people "black metal posers." don't offer to "beat the fuck" out of anyone on this site."
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i think you misunderstood what i said, i wasnt directing that to anyone here on this site, simply the fact that if someone was calling me a nazi for wearing a Burzum patch, then they clearly do not know enough about the genre, and only go on what they have seen and heard from interviews with Varg himself, and dont listen to the music. Yea, Varg is pretty racist, but his music isnt, so why would someone who listen's so it therefore have to be a nazi. so if someone was threatening to kick my ass over wearing one, i would probably take that as an invitation for a fight.

mattack 
Posts: 1118
Apr 12, 2010 - 11:32 AM

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On 11:18am (04/12/10), Alexecutioner said:

"if someone was calling me a nazi for wearing a Burzum patch, then they clearly do not know enough about the genre, and only go on what they have seen and heard from interviews with Varg himself, and dont listen to the music"
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I don't think you can blame someone for not knowing the whole story... especially since Black Metal is such an elite scene. I don't expect anyone on the street to know the nuances of trv kvlt black metal (or any other sub-culture for that matter).

If you don't want to be mistaken as a racist dickhead, the right thing to do is listen to their criticism, take it to heart. The internal dialog goes something like this, "Hmm... I'm not a Nazi, but every time I wear this Burzum shirt, people think I'm a racist asshole... Guess I won't wear my Burzum shirt anymore."

It doesn't mean you have to stop liking Burzum. But you don't have to wear it on your sleeve.

I shave my head, thanks to male-pattern baldness, but I wear a hat 99.9% of the time (and avoid certain styles of dress) because I don't want to be mistaken as a skinhead, even though I know not all skins are racist.

TheBigGloom 
Posts: 1035
Apr 12, 2010 - 11:44 AM

But the fact that you have to wear a hat so they you don't get accosted is ridiculous. No one should have to fear getting their ass kicked or harassed by some assholes because of simply something they're wearing.


mattack 
Posts: 1118
Apr 12, 2010 - 12:06 PM

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On 11:44am (04/12/10), TheBigGloom said:

"But the fact that you have to wear a hat so they you don't get accosted is ridiculous. No one should have to fear getting their ass kicked or harassed by some assholes because of simply something they're wearing."
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1. I don't have to wear a hat. I choose to. I try to be aware of my impact on the world and how the things I do affect others.

2. Clothes are a *huge* signifier of cultural identity. Wearing certain clothes is an easy way to say, "I like heavy metal and take part in metal culture." The same can be said of punk, hip-hop, and other sub-cultures. So if I even sort of look like (what the mass media portrays as) a racist, lots of people will think I'm a racist.

DestroyYouAlot 
Posts: 3
Apr 12, 2010 - 12:24 PM

Is this where I go for the black metal poseurs?

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On 11:32am (04/12/10), mattack said:

If you don't want to be mistaken as a racist dickhead, the right thing to do is listen to their criticism, take it to heart. The internal dialog goes something like this, "Hmm... I'm not a Nazi, but every time I wear this Burzum shirt, people think I'm a racist asshole... Guess I won't wear my Burzum shirt anymore."
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LOL @ "the right thing to do"

The internal dialog goes something like this, "CALL THE FUCKING WAAAMBULANCE, SOMEONE I DON'T KNOW THINKS SOMETHING OOKIE ABOUT ME." Get fucked with your moralistic bullshit, plz.

Lecho 
Posts: 687
Apr 12, 2010 - 1:14 PM

When you take the step of wearing a patch or whatever, people are going to think that it's more than just a band you listen too. You are proudly representing Burzum so I think it's to be expected that people might read more into it than they should. Obviously they didn't have to be dickheads about it but that is a separate issue. I certainly wouldn't want to wear anything identifying me with that shitbag.

brooks 
Posts: 290
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:26 PM

Mattack and Lecho:

thank you for making a rational argument.

Destroyyoualot:

you are clearly very intelligent.

edit: you can't tell but i totally used the HTML sarcasm tags.

DestroyYouAlot 
Posts: 3
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:31 PM

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On 02:26pm (04/12/10), brooks said:

"Mattack and Lecho:

thank you for making a rational argument.

Destroyyoualot:

you are clearly very intelligent.

edit: you can't tell but i totally used the HTML sarcasm tags."
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intelligent =/= agreeing with your position

lrn 2 logic, plz

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:32 PM

You know, I've been thinking about this a lot and came to the conclusion that as much as I like Burzum and don't feel bad about it, I don't think I'd be comfortable wearing the band's shirt or a patch.

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:35 PM

DYA: I think it's your attitude that is the problem, not your position.

brooks 
Posts: 290
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:38 PM

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On 02:32pm (04/12/10), subvertallchris said:

"You know, I've been thinking about this a lot and came to the conclusion that as much as I like Burzum and don't feel bad about it, I don't think I'd be comfortable wearing the band's shirt or a patch."
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this issue came up for me when a friend bought me a belt buckle that says "i like country music" and had two crossed guitars that looked like a rebel flag. Now, i'm a southerner through and through, but i couldn't bring myself to wear a rebel flag, because someone might think i was a racist country bumpkin.

DestroyYouAlot 
Posts: 3
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:39 PM

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On 02:35pm (04/12/10), subvertallchris said:

"DYA: I think it's your attitude that is the problem, not your position."
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If the attitude being objected to is one of utter disgust at the idea that I'm (or anyone else is) somehow obligated to go out of my way to prove to some busybody idiot that I don't hold any "objectionable" view...

then tough shit, I got nothing for ya. I stand behind that 110%. There is no burden of proof on the members of a free society; the fascism here is not Varg's, it belongs to the douches who think they've been appointed the idea police.

brooks 
Posts: 290
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:48 PM

DYA:
to a degree, I understand your logic. Just 'cus you call someone a "bitch" doesn't mean you think all women are dogs... this argument however, is about how much value you give to your appearance. how clearly do you want your appearance to communicate who you are, and your interests? the fact that others perceive burzum as a racist band means that you have communicated that one supports a racist band. if you or others don't care about being seen (even peripherally) by other people as racist, by all means, wear the burzum shirt.
it's like the opposite of PC-ism I guess.

edit: also needed to point out that you don't have to "go out of your way" to prove anything. In fact, i think you actually have to "go out of your way" to acquire a burzum shirt.

mattack 
Posts: 1118
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:50 PM

@brooks: You're welcome. I totally want HTML 5 to have sarcasm tags. It needs to happen. Also, I'm from the south too! I feel similarly, no Confedeate flags for me either.

@DestroyYouAlot: You're not obligated to do anything. Wear what you want to wear, do what you want to do. But if someone thinks you're a racist for wearing a Burzum shirt, I hope you're aware why that might happen. It's not their fault for not knowing. It's your fault for not caring.

FrankDux 
Posts: 683
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:51 PM

What an annoying-as-fuck thread.

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 12, 2010 - 2:52 PM

DYA: I understand your position but being aggressive isn't going to win over anyone to your side.

Anyone who wears a shirt of a band with a very outspoken racist frontman needs to expect some flack. Brooks totally nailed it so there's nothing more to add. You can think it's ridiculous but it doesn't change the fact that to many people...

racist frontman + band = racist band
racist band's shirt + person wearing it = racist person

I see both sides to it. I don't think I should be judged because I appreciate someone's art but if I was wearing a Burzum shirt, I would not be surprised and would be prepared to discuss and defend my position without being pissed off.

Lecho 
Posts: 687
Apr 12, 2010 - 3:20 PM

To me this is roughly the same thing as wearing a Michael Vick jersey. You may just be a big fan of the way he plays football, but people are still going to look at you and think "that guys a dumbass and is cool with killing dogs". It doesn't mean they are right (or should threaten to beat you up), but there is no question you are bringing it on yourself. The stars 'n' bars Dixie flag is a good analogy as well. You may just have a lot of Southern pride, but don't get bent out of shape if people think you're a racist redneck.

alschwitz 
Posts: 177
Apr 12, 2010 - 3:49 PM

i like the reasoning that i should change what i wear because some un-educated dumbass might make false assumptions about me. if someone is stupid enough to jump to conclusions about my beliefs before talking to me, they don't deserve an intelligent response stating my stance. if someone is going to threaten me based on what i'm wearing? go for it and get shot...see where your politics got you then. you all sound like a bunch of PC nazi crust punks. save it for the profane existence message board.

brooks 
Posts: 290
Apr 12, 2010 - 3:58 PM

al, did you even read any of the above posts?

alschwitz 
Posts: 177
Apr 12, 2010 - 5:02 PM

yeah...and my post reflects the fact that:
a. it's monday
b. people are dumb

brooks 
Posts: 290
Apr 12, 2010 - 5:04 PM

it did indeed reflect those facts!

Alexecutioner 
Posts: 6
Apr 12, 2010 - 5:44 PM

ITT: reverse fascism and hippie love morality

Necrodemius 
Posts: 707
Apr 12, 2010 - 6:33 PM

This is a situation that will never change and will continue to fester as long as the human race exists, so here's my opinions on the matter, and I know you do not wanna hear it, but...

1. Varg Vikernes has no solid idealogy whatsoever and changes it to whatever suits him at the time, and that is more or less to get attention. He spoke many times while in jail about never reforming Burzum, yet, when he gets out, he creates this new album Belus(which I finally heard in its entirety and cannot understand while people are praising this album because it basically sounds like the first album). The first album is good and nothing more.
2. Now, I have gone to many shows where I have even seen black kids wear Burzum shirts, and this is 2010. I'm sure people by now know of Varg's exploits and so called views, yet many people wear his stuff anyway. So in all aspects, people really shouldn't bitch about it because the entire human race is hypocritical to a point.
3. Black metal is about total disgust and hatred, period! Politics aside(which in my opinion doesn't even belong in metal anyway), if you do not understand what black metal is about, you will never understand.

anthropicrecords 
Posts: 267
Apr 12, 2010 - 8:08 PM

BORING BORING BORING

this shit is so fucking, obnoxiously boring.

i can't believe this thread is still going on.

people love to dance around their hatred. it's so hilariously unhilarious.

you all get a fucking medal for being more "black metal" than the next guy.
because so many of you truly understand what "art" is. my art comes from me. therefore, my art is a reflection of me. there is no secondary life outside of my art. i create it. if your art has nothing to do with you as a person, why the fuck would i want to see it? or listen to it? or feel anything towards it?
give me a break.

cool.




FrankDux 
Posts: 683
Apr 12, 2010 - 8:12 PM

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On 05:02pm (04/12/10), alschwitz said:

"yeah...and my post reflects the fact that:
a. it's monday
b. people are dumb"
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A sound logic.

maleficarvm_rex 
Posts: 98
Apr 12, 2010 - 8:40 PM

now that I think about it, Charles Manson shirts were popular for a spell...

thrashzone138 
Posts: 630
Apr 12, 2010 - 8:53 PM

I hear ya man. This one time I wore a Wagner shirt to a vivaldi recital and these fag ass bitches started shit with me. Fucking posers.

greenevanrequiem 
Posts: 109
Apr 12, 2010 - 9:08 PM

A.) you have to be prepared to stand behind any words or symbols that you wear on your person.

B.) "you people are the fucking coolest. you don't know shit from good chocolate, babies..."

palefolklore 
Posts: 609
Apr 12, 2010 - 9:23 PM

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On 03:49pm (04/12/10), alschwitz said:

"blah blah blah"
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Ugh, typical of a common house negro who listens to strictly negro music.


Thanks phillymetal, you pissed off the white god

kimkelly 
Posts: 1113
Apr 12, 2010 - 9:59 PM

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On 08:53pm (04/12/10), thrashzone138 said:

"I hear ya man. This one time I wore a Wagner shirt to a vivaldi recital and these fag ass bitches started shit with me. Fucking posers."
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Shawn has won this thread.

TheBigGloom 
Posts: 1035
Apr 12, 2010 - 10:12 PM

Would SHARPS beat down a black dude wearing a Burzum shirt?

palefolklore 
Posts: 609
Apr 13, 2010 - 12:45 PM

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On 10:12pm (04/12/10), TheBigGloom said:

"Would SHARPS beat down a black dude wearing a Burzum shirt?"
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someone please explain what sharps is, there's never enough humor in a day

mattack 
Posts: 1118
Apr 13, 2010 - 12:51 PM

SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice

slaughterotica 
Posts: 74
Apr 13, 2010 - 1:01 PM

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On 10:12pm (04/12/10), TheBigGloom said:

"Would SHARPS beat down a black dude wearing a Burzum shirt?"
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This is like dividing by zero

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 13, 2010 - 1:36 PM

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On 08:53pm (04/12/10), thrashzone138 said:

"I hear ya man. This one time I wore a Wagner shirt to a vivaldi recital and these fag ass bitches started shit with me. Fucking posers."
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THE END.

moarbr00tal 
Posts: 26
Apr 14, 2010 - 11:25 AM

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On 10:20pm (04/10/10), HessianAggression said:

"Yes and so does Darkthrone we can't forget that little line they put on Panzerfaust"
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Also in the liner notes for Transylvanian Hunger is says something along the lines of "Norsk Arisk Black Metal" which translates to "Norwegian Aryan Black Metal". They may have had some NS tendencies in the beginning, especially after being associated with varg for so many years

Who really cares though... I certainly don't. I've grown some thick skin over the years so things like that dont offend me anymore. Listening to certain music doesn't make you racist. When I first heard about NSBM and Burzum when I was 15 or so I was extremely shocked. That shock turned into curiosity and soon enough I had about a couple darkthrone albums and burzums s/t and filosofem.
Ive since grown out of black metal (no offense to anyone)...

The easiest solution to avoiding being labeled as a racist for wearing Burzum patches is not wear it anyone (which is kinda lame imo... I'd never let a bunch of douchers prevent me from doing my thing) or to put a nice little Hirax or Suffocation patch right next to it (or any band with black members for that matter)

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 14, 2010 - 11:28 AM

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On 11:25am (04/14/10), moarbr00tal said:

"Also in the liner notes for Transylvanian Hunger is says something along the lines of "Norsk Arisk Black Metal" which translates to "Norwegian Aryan Black Metal". They may have had some NS tendencies in the beginning, especially after being associated with varg for so many years"
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This is on the back of Transylvanian Hunger. They made a remark about "jewish behavior" on the inside. Great work, Darkthrone!

TheBigGloom 
Posts: 1035
Apr 14, 2010 - 11:52 AM

I was wearing a Wolves in the Throne Room shirt under that hoodie with the Burz backpatch. That should've put me in the clear!

FrankDux 
Posts: 683
Apr 14, 2010 - 12:11 PM

Fuck this thread.

George 
Posts: 18
Apr 15, 2010 - 8:35 AM

Hahahaha 55 posts, sorry internet!

SeanL 
Posts: 1573
Apr 15, 2010 - 1:22 PM

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On 08:08pm (04/12/10), anthropicrecords said:

"you all get a fucking medal for being more "black metal" than the next guy.
because so many of you truly understand what "art" is. my art comes from me. therefore, my art is a reflection of me. there is no secondary life outside of my art. i create it. if your art has nothing to do with you as a person, why the fuck would i want to see it? or listen to it? or feel anything towards it?
give me a break.

cool.



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Regardless of your opinion of a secondary life of art, you at least have to acknowledge that while art may be a reflection of yourself, it doesn't have to reflect EVERYTHING about you. You can use art to express only a portion of you or your views, you don't have to mash everything into one.

And that's the case with Burzum. It reflects upon part of Varg, not his entire being or belief system. There is NOTHING RACIST about Burzum.

I have no problem with people CHOOSING to not wear Burzum gear or purchase his music because they don't want to be perceived a racist or fearing their money is going to support a racist. I do have a problem with the people who understand the nuances of black metal, such as the people on this board, condemning the people who do wear Burzum gear as racists even though it is clear they are not and Burzum is not a racist band. As articulated by others earlier, that IS facist. Get off your fucking high horse.


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On 08:53pm (04/12/10), thrashzone138 said:

"I hear ya man. This one time I wore a Wagner shirt to a vivaldi recital and these fag ass bitches started shit with me. Fucking posers."
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best. post. ever.

subvertallchris 
Posts: 2168
Apr 15, 2010 - 3:28 PM

This is still a ways away from catching up to our most heavily viewed or replied topics ever, don't worry.

anthropicrecords 
Posts: 267
Apr 15, 2010 - 7:15 PM

wait, i am on a high horse but yet you are telling people they know nothing about "black metal" if they think that burzum is racist? ...hmm..facist?...black metal is the highest horse and everyone and their mother tries desperately to climb atop to prove they are more black metal than the next guy.


WHAT THE SHIT IS BLACK METAL?



i will sit on my high horse and ride my majestic translucent steed.

SeanL 
Posts: 1573
Apr 15, 2010 - 8:11 PM

What about Burzum is racist?

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